WILLIAM E. STOBB  
 

Poet, teacher, and master of equivocation William Stobb discusses poets, poetry, and language without ever making a definitive claim.

 
 

HARD TO SAY

 
 

EPISODE 1,  OCTOBER 10, 2006

 
 

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Early Dean Young
 
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     I feel like it can be a back-handed compliment to praise a poet’s early work when that poet is crackling out new poems & poems & great books of poems like he’s locked into some hot circuit, ungrounded. Dean Young rules. I don’t mean that—it’s not about ruling, obviously. But I mean that Dean Young’s poems continue to be a gift to me. Consider the fucking great (can I use that word in this?) brilliant “True / False” poem from Elegy on Toy Piano. It’s a three-full-pager made up of 100 T/F questions by and about Dean Young. In some of these, he plays that familiar, tricked-up autobiography card that I never know what to make of, when he uses “Mary” and “Tony” as characters. Readers of Ruefle and Hoagland will recognize the games these three play with each others’ names and with seemingly autobiographical poems including each other and about each other. Hoagland’s “When Dean Young Talks About Wine” comes to mind and Ruefle’s “A Poem by Dean Young,” which she wrote but which appears in his book—and he’s got her back with “A Poem by Mary Ruefle” which he wrote but which appears in her book.

Anyway, here’s some of “True / False” by Dean Young, from 2005’s Elegy on Toy Piano.

    1. Usually my first answer is correct.
    2, I want to break things.
    3. I hear voices.
    4. I am good at following orders

    50. Tony made a mistake getting married.
    51. Tony made a mistake getting divorced.
    52. Parking meters lie.
    53. Stay out of Indiana

    61. Don’t let Mary drive.
    62. Most hospitals keep some leeches just in case.
    63. Spaghetti is done when it sticks to the wall.
    64. Stay with me and be my love.
    65. Spending a major holiday alone – too bad the zoo’s closed.
    66. The meaning of every word comes from context and whereas context is created by other words, meaning can never be fixed but you can cross a stream on loose, slippery rocks without getting wet by keeping a strong, forward momentum.

So, yes, these lines play the autobiography game, but that’s nothing, really. It’s gossip-slash-commentary-about-gossip and it’s interesting to that extent. And also I really like the writing of all three of those people, so I always hope they’re happy when I meet them in their poems.

But it’s the poetry of it that’s killer. The transformation in that last one? #66? Where it transfers from pointy-headed theory discourse to an action image of crossing a stream—an action image with religion, yo: walking on water w/ out getting wet? That rules. I don’t mean that. It’s not about ruling.

As I write this, I’ve learned that Press Assistant Sarah Roberts, at the University of Iowa’s Center for the Book has produced a 23-foot-long, accordion-folded print version of this poem, published by Inflorescence Press, which sounds magnificent to me.

All of this has been my long-ass way of saying Dean Young’s new work is great. It’s on fire, you know, in all the ways you’d want to be on fire. Actually, Elegy’s not even Young’s most recent book—there’s one called Embryoyo that’s DUE any day. Ha ha.

But I loved Dean Young’s early work at a time when I needed to learn to love stuff. The nights were long and cold back then, in Grand Forks North Dakota—that’s a shout-out to Grand Forks, by the way: is anybody out there? Of course you are. I lived in GF when I was 22 & that book came out and a few of us were into new poets. My friend Kevin Marzahl is great at reading poems and finding all manner of cool shit to look at, so I kind of got Dean Young as a gift from Kevin. I’d learn a lot from Kevin’s poems, too—his poem “Kiln” won a contest at The Southern Review right about then, when he was 23 or so. I couldn’t find it on the internet, but I’m told that text archives exist.

I meant what I said about love, though. Maybe it comes easy to some people, but for me I have to learn it—this is sounding hokey, so I’m gonna leave it at that. Here’s a poem I loved called “Legend,” from 1992’s Beloved Infidel.

Legend
By Dean Young

Someone said lightning from a clear sky
Threaded through a house and struck
His picture on its shelf as he died
Watching Pele replays on TV
With his wife and bassist. They say
He returned to the hand of Jah like
A severed finger restored.

You’ve got to imagine a God cutting off
His own finger in the first place.

While Marley finally bowed to radiation
And dismantlement, the girl who taught
Me the dance—barely lift the feet, foggy
Shrugs and ducks—was in Mauritania
Losing chickens to blight, her hair
To vaccines, losing her help and those
She came to help to a village seer
Preaching she was the devil.

When we were young we watched workers
High in girder webs operating spark-spurting
Guns, others on the ground with plans,
Throwing lifting switches. We thought,
Housed there, we’d grow into expertise,
fortify land and seas while clouds amassed
like grateful nations at our knees. We
wanted it called House of Invisible Lion
or House of Hunger Ended and we thought
a giddy smoke-let dance the start of its
administration. But then the next craze came along,
the next rich costumery, a new beat loud enough
to cover the sound of someone being kicked to death.

Last night I listened to the early, one-track
nearly empty stuff. Wails and taunts
in the empire of wail. In one cut, I swear, bugs
buzz against a screen like the sound of faith
rasping crinkled wings from under a helmet-green
shell. You’ve got to imagine faith can be caught

kept living like a thing in a jar,
breath-holes punched in the lid,
a little torn grass in the bottom.

You know, that poem uses some conventions of poetic speech that might now seem… what?… culturally enforced?… to a poet as advanced as Dean Young. I mean, these days, Dean Young is making dynamic moves on so many levels that this sustained first-person narrative might seem naďve. But I admired the speaker of those poems, & wanted to live like him. That guy in those poems—Dean Young or not—was a friend to me. He knew interesting stuff—he had apparently been a med student at one time and there was one poem where he showed an open brain. Cool. He’d had a wide variety of romantic and sexual relationships, knew something about drugs, not to mention reggae (I mean, in “Legend,” that’s a good analysis of the little bob-slash-groove of reggae dancing—I wanted to analyze stuff like that!). That poetic speaker also had hip, activist friends. Those poems seemed to want the world to be a good, or at least better place. And the speaker of those poems was possessed of this ability for vision. I wanted to absorb what I saw like that speaker absorbed those spark-spurting workers in the girders. I was learning from those poems how to see, I guess.
 

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HARD TO SAY
With William E. Stobb

 
 


William Stobb lives in La Crosse, Wisconsin, where he teaches writing classes at Viterbo University and co-curates, along with David Krump, the monthly reading series at The Pump House Regional Arts Center.  His poems have appeared in American Poetry Review, Colorado Review, Denver Quarterly, MiPOesias, Three Candles, and other journals.  His collection Nervous Systems is a 2006 National Poetry Series Selection, forthcoming from Penguin.
 

 
 

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